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5th Mar 2016

Ever since my old video card broke down and i got a new one my ping has been hidden(since july 4 2015). I have not had any issues since this happened until recently (except the odd person here and there asking why its not showing). I was booted from the server for having a hidden ping. i also saw it happen to some other guys. I have been here long enough and have played long enough to be known on server 1. BTW my ping is 78 so i am not lagging in game. Was there a recent change to server policy that all hidden ping users are to be booted? Is it done manually or is it an auto feature? if its auto i could be white listed?

For those who say to just fix it i am all out of ideas. I have spent a lot of time trying to fix the problem both when it happened and over the last couple days. The only thing that changed when it started happening was swapping out my old video card for my new one. If it is a new enforced policy ill just quit playing.

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5th Mar 2016

It might be a new policy, but I've seen it enforced recently. As for the reasoning for booting for hidden pings...

When a server is running a policy to boot high pings, it also boots those that it can't determine the ping of the player as this could potentially be done to prevent this kind of high ping booting.

The only thing that comes to mind is Router NAT, Firewall. The hidden ping though doesn't make sense from a hardware perspective if all you did was merely change your video card.



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5th Mar 2016

Rep,

I've known you since I've played on Server 1. I do not see why you are being booted. I actually play with a guy in Server 9 who has a hidden ping and he stays full rounds.

I will ask around and see what the "policy" is, but like Angry said it could be just the bot booting you.



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6th Mar 2016

There are some who deliberately mask their pings in order to cheat.
Some people do it just because.
Some people it's their ISP doing it.
Some have no idea what's going on.

You talk to someone who has no ping you can find out pretty easily.
Though I would think people would be smart enough not to kick someone in the clan over it.



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6th Mar 2016

Try updating punk buster manually. I had the same problem and after trying an array of fixes updating PB fixed it for me.
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8th Mar 2016

I had a hidden ping for a while until something changed with my ISP and it now shows, so I know a little about it. The ping display is a light user program that can be blocked particularly if your ISP has various firewalls for software licensing (universities).

However, I will say that the network monitor (found in user options) will show that the server can in fact monitor a hidden ping based on I/O's. The ping display is irrelevant because the server will use the actual network performance to decide whether to boot the player. I have seen this happen to a few players with hidden pings outside the server allowance.

Unfortunately some servers don't care and will boot regardless of reasoning, but I joined MIg/CMW for the simple reason that they didn't boot me, among other reasons, so it may have been bad timing. Sounds like Cuban is sorting it out though.
Last Edit: 8th Mar 2016 by coolfaceginger
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26th Mar 2016

Has this been addressed yet? Is it working as intended or just slipped in there? Need to know pls.
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27th Mar 2016

is it possible for you to try out BF4 on another system entirely, to see if it reports ping? Even if the system isn't good its for testing.


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Quoteis it possible for you to try out BF4 on another system entirely, to see if it reports ping? Even if the system isn't good its for testing.

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Yes I can but it will have to wait until next weekend. I work out of town mon-thurs. I will give it a try next weekend. The strange thing is that the boot is not instant. It is actually unpredictable on when it will occur and it doesn't seem to happen on all the servers. So far only on server one, but I only play on 2 or 3 servers.
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28th Mar 2016


afaik there's no "crouching tiger hidden-ping" kick/ban policy on our servers, so don't stop playing!
(this is an observation from my past experience playing on MIg servers, i think we can also discount admins enforcing it as most of them would be reading this)
we need to know more info on the type of video card (both, old/new), did you have to install any new drivers, if so, please list changes.
who is your isp and what type of home connection, local network details, VPN, wireless, etc?
Quoteis it possible for you to try out BF4 on another system entirely, to see if it reports ping? Even if the system isn't good its for testing.

or even the inverse of it, which ever is easier for you - take your pc to a friends place/work, and connect to our servers and thus eliminating your own network from the equation?


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28th Mar 2016

Quoteafaik there's no "crouching tiger hidden-ping" kick/ban policy on our servers, so don't stop playing!
(this is an observation from my past experience playing on MIg servers, i think we can also discount admins enforcing it as most of them would be reading this)
we need to know more info on the type of video card (both, old/new), did you have to install any new drivers, if so, please list changes.
who is your isp and what type of home connection, local network details, VPN, wireless, etc?

or even the inverse of it, which ever is easier for you - take your pc to a friends place/work, and connect to our servers and thus eliminating your own network from the equation?
you don't know every thing. there is a kick policy for ping hidders and average high pings. it just says fix your ping and come back.



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28th Mar 2016

i don't know anythink mang, just trying to help, did you not see the question marks and use of "i think" in my reply? but now after your comment it looks to me like some of the admins are not reading this topic or even talking to each other?
op wants to know what is the current server policy, there seems to be some disagreement between admins in regards to this. OP is not a "ping hider", this is a genuine problem on his behalf that i am trying to assist him with and i think he deserves constructive help and not name calling - thank you very much.


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28th Mar 2016

AFAIK is i think now? i thought it was as far as i know


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Read his post again. He was not calling the OP a ping hider. He just pointed out that there is a server function for them. Everything else has also been constructive as far as trying to assist him.

To the OP,
My experience with this was easier to fix than others. I was getting bad packet loss and other issues and the server kicked me a few times. During one of the attempts to play I observed only a dash where my ping should be. I reset my DSL modem and all was well. Hopefully yours is something just as simple.
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28th Mar 2016

Quote OP
Was there a recent change to server policy that all hidden ping users are to be booted? Is it done manually or is it an auto feature? if its auto i could be white listed?

I have spent a lot of time trying to fix the problem both when it happened and over the last couple days. The only thing that changed when it started happening was swapping out my old video card for my new one. If it is a new enforced policy ill just quit playing.
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Rep,
I've known you since I've played on Server 1. I do not see why you are being booted. I actually play with a guy in Server 9 who has a hidden ping and he stays full rounds.
I will ask around and see what the "policy" is, but like Angry said it could be just the bot booting you.

so far so good, the server policy is unknown at this stage but some people CAN play without any problems, the good admin will inquire about the actual rules.

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is it possible for you to try out BF4 on another system entirely, to see if it reports ping? Even if the system isn't good its for testing.

another admin tackling the same problem from a different perspective, good idea imo, so i decided to make some suggestions along the same line.

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you don't know every thing. there is a kick policy for ping hidders and average high pings. it just says fix your ping and come back.

not constructive at all, we still don't know what the actual policy is, not from reading the above posts anyway, OP still none the wiser..
QuoteRead his post again.  He was not calling the OP a ping hider.  He just pointed out that there is a server function for them.  Everything else has also been constructive as far as trying to assist him.

i give up.


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Last Edit: 28th Mar 2016 by superhanssolo
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29th Mar 2016

Try resetting your modem and router and see if it does it again. Then I will get in touch with you to get this sorted out.


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I use my gaming rig as a third Home office PC and I use ICMP blocks for security reasons is there any way to white-list my IP address in the game servers. If it is possible what do I have to do? Do I need to Donate?


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You Have a ICMP block on Protocols  0, 8, 9, 14, 16, 18, 34, 38. Those protocols cause an issue for the server. You use ICMP block as long as you aren't blocking the reply.

Check this site if you have any question on what to block and what not to block...                       
----------------------------------->   ICMP Protocol Type with their Numbers  <--------------------------------

These can be blocked on you PC, Router, And Modem if you have a all in one (like a Wireless Gateway).

A restart of your Equipment possible won't do any good as its possible that it is a default setting. You also try getting the Booklet that came with the router possible the modem/wireless gateway.


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Last Edit: 29th Mar 2016 by XBart_SimpsonX
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first of all my apologies to all of the above for being a little edgy in my replies yesterday....
it was one of them, days.. i'm sorry mofo's.

@ el_barto yes, level 4 donor and above include the "ping whitelist" option - http://www.migaming.us/pa ... ge/perkmatrix
and click over here to buy/donate - http://www.migaming.us/sh ... opping


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